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老刀会的篝火
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老刀会归来 (Discussions by attendees')
http://www.mitbbs.com/pc/pccon.php?id=2289&nid=85789&s=all



发信人: medlamb (麦地小羊), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: 老刀会归来
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun May 10 15:34:27 2009)

Just coming from the Laodao meeting, I enjoyed the meeting very much because
it cleared some of my
questions about the match. I am writing my experience on the airplane to
share with you all especially for
those people was not able to attend the meeting this year.

Overall, based on attending's talk, the road to board is hard but definitely
achievable. Do your best. You
will succeed.

For steps, never go for the test until you are fully ready. However, getting
lower scores is not the end of the
world, try to improve your other credentials.

For observer-ship, the more the better, it doesn't have to be the same
specialty you want to apply because
all of the clinical departments all integrated and you just need to know how
the system is working.

For application,go for more than one specialty if possible, you never know
which program likes you and
which is hot this year. However, if you are dedicated to one area with
strong past related experience, you
will save some time.

For interview, be prepared, research the program and their people's work,
while talking, try to tell your own
stories and cover most of the time, this way, the interviewer will have less
chance to throw hard questions
on you. Be very strong on your positive side experience, do not bring in any
negative side to let you down.
However, often time we just do not know how and why what you have just said
during interview may
negatively affect your chance---all of your past hard work may not be paid
off if you can not convince
the interviewer that you are much more better compared to other applicants
within the first five minutes.
Doing mock interviews and practice more will help.

I can not thank more enough for Laodao's warmhearted for providing this
opportunity for us to get
experience form faculty,senior, and medcareer fellows. Thanks to all the
faculty for their time. Thank Dao
Tai's great foods. Hope to see your guys again next year!

I wish I had the chance to talk to all the people over there. Welcome
everybody to share your own
thoughts and experience about the Laodao meeting. Thank you so much!
--

※ 来源:·WWW 未名空间站 海外: mitbbs.com 中国: mitbbs.cn·[FROM: 99.53.]


发信人: swarmer (麦地守望者), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 老刀会没有报道?
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun May 10 12:40:30 2009)

估计现在很多人还没到家吧。我们昨天算是走的早的,开到家已经半夜2点了。我跟老
公讲了一路我得到的各种信息,兴奋的都睡不着了。加上对隐性眼镜的eye drop过敏,
现在眼睛红得象个little devil,还是忍不住先到版上来看看。今天先简单汇报一下情
况,改天我会把我得到的信息详细写下来,给没来的人参考。

就像老刀说的,会议开的非常圆满成功。老刀和其他来参加会议的医生们,每个人都是
耐心细致,生动幽默地介绍各科的情况。尤其是老刀关于面试问题的分析,以一贯的刀
客风格,让大家认识到应该如何以四两拨千斤,把对自己不利的问题转化为表现自己能
力的机会,对我启发很大。

我自己是听了整11个小时,刀太准备了特别丰盛的食物,可惜我没吃几口,连水都没怎
么喝,生怕错过了任何重要的信息,真对不起刀太啊。不过我吃到的精神大餐,足以让
我三月不知肉味了。

感谢老刀,刀太和各位前辈们给我们提供一个这么好的机会。如果让我给没来的同学们
一个建议的话,我会说:明年,一定要来。
--

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发信人: Chi2010 (Chi2009), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: 感谢信---老刀会后
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon May 11 23:39:37 2009)

首先对老刀的精神,付出及刀夫人的支持表示本人诚挚的敬意.对参与本次盛会的每位前
辈表示由衷的感谢.对于组织协调的自愿者及麦地斑竹们的辛勤劳动表示深深的谢意.对
于任何曾经以任何方式帮他人的同道表示感谢.我深深的坚信每位受惠于老刀会及麦地
的众生将会以自己的方式将麦地的精神辐射出去.正如老刀所言:众人拾柴火焰高.麦地
互助互爱的精神将会不断被发扬光大.麦地圣火如同老刀点燃的篝火,将会让更多的众生
在漆黑的寒夜里感受到她的温暖与光芒.

麦地潜水员:Chi2010 2009-5-11
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发信人: JDJ (Step2 CS), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 老刀会归来
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun May 10 21:50:34 2009)

收获很大,不少困惑和问题有了答案,豁然开朗。
申请内科/病理?不建议超过两个科以上,主要根据兴趣决定,不要把其中一科当作
backup.

PS and IV时,要强调多年research experience对于今后临床工作是positive factor。
个人经历不同,反正得自圆其说,总之只有positive的,没有negative的。
见习的作用:主要是了解美国医疗系统的运作,多多益善,不必局限于将来准备申请的
那个科。同时在见习中累积一些感人的小故事,PS and IV中有机会时讲讲,会比较
impressive。

全职考版的姐妹,中断的经历肯定是weakness.怎么样去弥补?合理的解释(family
issue,spend time with kids)+多作见习。
PCP or FM, 担心没病人?语言上不可能超过老美,可是语言不决定一切。Be nice to
patients, 正确的诊断,耐心解释治疗方案,病人会越来越多的。
内科fellow,cardiology非常热,一旦进去之后,将来钱途似锦。介入治疗需要在三年
fellow后再接受1-3年的training.如果能够进入acdemic hospital作住院,对将来申请
专科会有帮助。

非常感谢那么多attending,fellow, resident的宝贵时间和精力。刀太,奔太和别的家
属在厨房里忙碌了整整一天,太辛苦了。
先想到这些,等别的同学补充分享。
--

※ 来源:·WWW 未名空间站 海外: mitbbs.com 中国: mitbbs.cn·[FROM: 68.33.]

发信人: medlamb (麦地小羊), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: 老刀会归来
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun May 10 15:34:27 2009)

Just coming from the Laodao meeting, I enjoyed the meeting very much because
it cleared some of my
questions about the match. I am writing my experience on the airplane to
share with you all especially for
those people was not able to attend the meeting this year.

Overall, based on attending's talk, the road to board is hard but definitely
achievable. Do your best. You
will succeed.

For steps, never go for the test until you are fully ready. However, getting
lower scores is not the end of the
world, try to improve your other credentials.

For observer-ship, the more the better, it doesn't have to be the same
specialty you want to apply because
all of the clinical departments all integrated and you just need to know how
the system is working.

For application,go for more than one specialty if possible, you never know
which program likes you and
which is hot this year. However, if you are dedicated to one area with
strong past related experience, you
will save some time.

For interview, be prepared, research the program and their people's work,
while talking, try to tell your own
stories and cover most of the time, this way, the interviewer will have less
chance to throw hard questions
on you. Be very strong on your positive side experience, do not bring in any
negative side to let you down.
However, often time we just do not know how and why what you have just said
during interview may
negatively affect your chance---all of your past hard work may not be paid
off if you can not convince
the interviewer that you are much more better compared to other applicants
within the first five minutes.
Doing mock interviews and practice more will help.

I can not thank more enough for Laodao's warmhearted for providing this
opportunity for us to get
experience form faculty,senior, and medcareer fellows. Thanks to all the
faculty for their time. Thank Dao
Tai's great foods. Hope to see your guys again next year!

I wish I had the chance to talk to all the people over there. Welcome
everybody to share your own
thoughts and experience about the Laodao meeting. Thank you so much!
--

※ 来源:·WWW 未名空间站 海外: mitbbs.com 中国: mitbbs.cn·[FROM: 99.53.]


发信人: swarmer (麦地守望者), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 老刀会没有报道?
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun May 10 12:40:30 2009)

估计现在很多人还没到家吧。我们昨天算是走的早的,开到家已经半夜2点了。我跟老
公讲了一路我得到的各种信息,兴奋的都睡不着了。加上对隐性眼镜的eye drop过敏,
现在眼睛红得象个little devil,还是忍不住先到版上来看看。今天先简单汇报一下情
况,改天我会把我得到的信息详细写下来,给没来的人参考。

就像老刀说的,会议开的非常圆满成功。老刀和其他来参加会议的医生们,每个人都是
耐心细致,生动幽默地介绍各科的情况。尤其是老刀关于面试问题的分析,以一贯的刀
客风格,让大家认识到应该如何以四两拨千斤,把对自己不利的问题转化为表现自己能
力的机会,对我启发很大。

我自己是听了整11个小时,刀太准备了特别丰盛的食物,可惜我没吃几口,连水都没怎
么喝,生怕错过了任何重要的信息,真对不起刀太啊。不过我吃到的精神大餐,足以让
我三月不知肉味了。

感谢老刀,刀太和各位前辈们给我们提供一个这么好的机会。如果让我给没来的同学们
一个建议的话,我会说:明年,一定要来。
--

※ 来源:·WWW 未名空间站 海外: mitbbs.com 中国: mitbbs.cn·[FROM: 63.252.]


发信人: JDJ (Step2 CS), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 老刀会归来
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun May 10 21:50:34 2009)

收获很大,不少困惑和问题有了答案,豁然开朗。
申请内科/病理?不建议超过两个科以上,主要根据兴趣决定,不要把其中一科当作
backup.

PS and IV时,要强调多年research experience对于今后临床工作是positive factor。
个人经历不同,反正得自圆其说,总之只有positive的,没有negative的。
见习的作用:主要是了解美国医疗系统的运作,多多益善,不必局限于将来准备申请的
那个科。同时在见习中累积一些感人的小故事,PS and IV中有机会时讲讲,会比较
impressive。

全职考版的姐妹,中断的经历肯定是weakness.怎么样去弥补?合理的解释(family
issue,spend time with kids)+多作见习。
PCP or FM, 担心没病人?语言上不可能超过老美,可是语言不决定一切。Be nice to
patients, 正确的诊断,耐心解释治疗方案,病人会越来越多的。
内科fellow,cardiology非常热,一旦进去之后,将来钱途似锦。介入治疗需要在三年
fellow后再接受1-3年的training.如果能够进入acdemic hospital作住院,对将来申请
专科会有帮助。

非常感谢那么多attending,fellow, resident的宝贵时间和精力。刀太,奔太和别的家
属在厨房里忙碌了整整一天,太辛苦了。
先想到这些,等别的同学补充分享。
--

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发信人: USMedEdu (US_CMGs), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 老刀会归来
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon May 11 08:46:15 2009)

写得很好。

请注意:其实任何专业面试官都是老道之极阅人无数的人精,2-3分钟交谈就能把你
大概看出真相和定出你水平高低范围了的。

所以,除这里所谈的why psych? 其实是个共性问题,适用于其它一切专业,而且是
你去面试时一定要回答得生动、准确、令面试者信服最好能听了你的回答,眼睛为
之一亮,感到你是“know something even deeply know about this specialty"而
且,“you are unique”!这样,你才能stand out above other interviewees,
be that the one "we are really looking for and expect for resident candidate”


我在刀会上也主要谈了WHY PATHOLOGY和见习病理为了什么这两个你们很多人不能深
刻理解的问题。你们必须要深思,把这类问题能真正搞懂,convince yourself, then
try to convenience interviewers!

在刀会上我模拟面试了好几个,说实在的,2-3句话,2分钟之内,按实战的结果,
你已经出局了。

因为,你连你自己都没搞清楚WHY的问题,作为阅人无数得面试者早就一眼看出你NOT
FIT!


dok
顺便在此代刀太向各位表示感谢,尤其几位宝妈或候补宝妈,在会议中途去买了鲜花--
玫瑰,她很高兴和感动:母亲节,你没送我东西,可有人送玫瑰了。我有点灰头土脸了。

另外,从波士顿、芝加哥和其它地区来的同学给她的礼物,让她都很高兴,
都有点觉得太让你们破费而不好意思了。

多谢你们!

【 在 jjc (dogcat) 的大作中提到: 】
: What a great meeting! Thank Laodao for giving us such a good chance for
: meeting people.
: Since I want to go psy, I talked to two psy Drs quite a bit. My take-home
: messages are:


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发信人: wodewode (我的我的), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 老刀会归来
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon May 11 10:07:17 2009)

首先感谢老刀刀太给我们准备了如此的一个盛会,感谢到会的每个人。

楼上的各位总结的很好了,加一点:
面试的时候,要准备的很充分。医疗改革是个热点,中美医改的比较也是。。。
进了面试,成绩就不重要了,面试的人看的是:hard work, 听话,flexible,交流技
巧是最重要的。。。
那怎么进面试呢?很多时候小密就把你的材料甩掉了。。。这段我呼唤谁谁来详细谢谢
。。(我听的不全)

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发信人: droplets (滴水穿石), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 老刀会归来
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon May 11 10:18:13 2009)

对于非常感兴趣的PROGRAM, 要是受毕业年限之类的限制, 可以绕过小秘, 直接给PD发
信了, 要好好研究那个PROGRAM写有针对性的信, 如果PD对你感兴趣,这样一来你的材料
就会被调出来.但是发信的人可能会很多, 所以也看运气, 不一定总灵, 但至少可以一
试, 有内线的更好, 可以投PD之所好, 中靶的几率更大些.
欢迎补充!

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发信人: zhongj (mimi), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 老刀会归来
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon May 11 10:30:51 2009)

I came back from Laodao’s conference.Thanks very much for Laodao and Dao
tai to provide us these meeting. Your beautiful house impressed me. I
regretted that I forgot my camera; otherwise I will post your house’s
picture on my computer. When I am tired of studying I will look the picture
and study harder again.

Thanks very much for every faculty, fellow and residency who attended that
meeting. Yours help may change other people’s life.

Thanks very much for the people who were always busying in maintaining the
party. I know how hard work it is for more than 100 people’s party. I know
you are the family member of the guys who are preparing the board. Thanks
all family members who support us.

I met many famous ID on MedicalCareer, it is very excited.

The posts on upstairs like abstracts of the conference which are very clear.
It is very useful even for me because I could not get every point on the
meetion. One thing I want add is Dr. Shao mentioned that as a CMG we need
improve our pronunciation. If it is harder for the interviewer to understand
you how would they want work with you in the future years?

Thanks Laodao again.

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jjc: 老刀会归来谈PSYCHIATRY的申请问题
http://www.mitbbs.com/pc/pccon.php?id=2289&nid=85939&s=all


发信人: jjc (dogcat), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 老刀会归来
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon May 11 02:52:41 2009)

What a great meeting! Thank Laodao for giving us such a good chance for
meeting people.

Since I want to go psy, I talked to two psy Drs quite a bit. My take-home
messages are:

1. Why psy? You must answer that question from your heart. Many people
think about psy because others said psy programs have less requirements
about scores and are kind of easy to get in. That's not true. If you just
use psy as back-up, people can easily find out that. Don't forget that
they are psy doctors who are really good at reading people's minds.

2. If you are really into psy, do a psy ob, match your passion with the
reality. In this way, you will find out whether psy is your cup of tea or
not.

3. Being a psy Dr, you have to enjoy talking to people. For each new
patient, you will have a talk with them at least 1-1.5 hour.

4. Be a psy Dr, you are not only a good talker but also a good listener.
Oftentimes,you have to keep your mouth shut. You are the one offering help
if people want change. But the decision has to be made by patient himself.

5. psy Dr has a good life style. BUT the psy board exam is the most
difficult one among all the board exams. It's a oral exam. It's done in a
few big psy centers. You will get a real patient for half hour interview
and then present the case and answer questions from the committee. It
certainly can be biased by people. The passing rate is about 50%(I'm not
sure about the exact number but for sure it's much lower than the internal
medicine.)

Well, that's all I can think about at this point. I may add more later.
Thanks again, Laodao! And for all people I met in the meeting, it's so
good to meet you guys.


发信人: xiaomaguohe (麦地小马), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 老刀会归来
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon May 11 14:56:20 2009)

very good post. a few more points about psy:

1. during the residency, you will be trained with behavioral therapy modules
for different disorders, such as OCD, depression, etc.

2. the board certificate is not required for practice NOW, but you never
know what will happen in the future, some states start to require the
certificate.

3.a good personality is good in any field. ppl with different personalities
can be good psy with professional training.

4. find yourself an American name may shorten the distance between you and
your patients.


发信人: Chi2010 (Chi2009), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: 感谢信---老刀会后
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon May 11 23:39:37 2009)

首先对老刀的精神,付出及刀夫人的支持表示本人诚挚的敬意.对参与本次盛会的每位前
辈表示由衷的感谢.对组织协调的自愿者及麦地斑竹们的辛勤劳动表示深深的谢意.对
于曾经以任何方式帮助过他人的同道表示感谢.我深深的坚信每位受惠于老刀会及麦地
的众生将会以自己的方式将麦地的精神辐射出去.正如老刀所言:众人拾柴火焰高.麦地
互助互爱的精神将会不断被发扬光大.麦地圣火如同老刀点燃的篝火,将会让更多的众生
在漆黑的寒夜里感受到她的温暖与光芒.



看来懒人的作业是不行的 even I will take step2 very soon but no excuse.
Based on the comment from Dr. Dok, the additional detailed description of
the points what I learned from the Lao Dao Hui is summarized as the
following description. As a listener and a learner, these points may or may
not exactly represent the real points that each teacher try to tell since
the limitation of my intelligence. So any different opium is welcomed and
appreciated.
1. Get in a program is more important than get a better one if you have
to choose. Most of us may not have many options.
2. Who will screen applicants for interview? PD and associated PD.
How the applicants will be screened for interview?
The score and years of graduation will be the two important factors for the
program to screen the applicants. So the score will be the only modifiable
factor, so try to get the highest score as you can. Try to apply early than
late. Fresh graduate will have higher chance even with lower scores. The
connection will help you get a chance for interview too. So try to get more
connections.
How you will be ranked by the program? You performance during the interview
and the whole package will be evaluated by individual member from the
resident recruit committee. So try your best to impress each committee
member in the positive way during your interview. However, the rank for each
applicant will be discussed on an open meeting where all the committee
members will attend, so if you have connection with someone who is in the
committee, he will speak out for you and that will significant increase you
chance to be ranked higher.
3. The first few minutes will be the most important for the whole
interview. Try to be comfortable, to be confident, and to be yourself. Try
to be perfect as you can in many aspects such as dressing, manner et al,
To be charming, humble from inside of your heart (think yourself as a “
potato”). However, still try to “show off” your strengths and shinning
points in a comfortable manner in the point of view of others.
4. How to answer the question “what is your strength and weakness?”
Such as “ Sometime, I am working too hard even forget to take a rest ”.
Always use the positive way to express your weakness instead of directly
describe your weakness. To be prepared on this kind of question.
5. Try harder, try smart, you will achieve your goal.
6. Run your own business or work as an employee after you become an
attending? You will always get paid less than what you made for the
employee. Otherwise, it is the time you will be fired. So make your own
decision.


麦地潜水员:Chi2010 2009-5-11
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