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老刀会归来 (Discussions by attendees')
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发信人: medlamb (麦地小羊), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: 老刀会归来
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun May 10 15:34:27 2009)

Just coming from the Laodao meeting, I enjoyed the meeting very much because
it cleared some of my
questions about the match. I am writing my experience on the airplane to
share with you all especially for
those people was not able to attend the meeting this year.

Overall, based on attending's talk, the road to board is hard but definitely
achievable. Do your best. You
will succeed.

For steps, never go for the test until you are fully ready. However, getting
lower scores is not the end of the
world, try to improve your other credentials.

For observer-ship, the more the better, it doesn't have to be the same
specialty you want to apply because
all of the clinical departments all integrated and you just need to know how
the system is working.

For application,go for more than one specialty if possible, you never know
which program likes you and
which is hot this year. However, if you are dedicated to one area with
strong past related experience, you
will save some time.

For interview, be prepared, research the program and their people's work,
while talking, try to tell your own
stories and cover most of the time, this way, the interviewer will have less
chance to throw hard questions
on you. Be very strong on your positive side experience, do not bring in any
negative side to let you down.
However, often time we just do not know how and why what you have just said
during interview may
negatively affect your chance---all of your past hard work may not be paid
off if you can not convince
the interviewer that you are much more better compared to other applicants
within the first five minutes.
Doing mock interviews and practice more will help.

I can not thank more enough for Laodao's warmhearted for providing this
opportunity for us to get
experience form faculty,senior, and medcareer fellows. Thanks to all the
faculty for their time. Thank Dao
Tai's great foods. Hope to see your guys again next year!

I wish I had the chance to talk to all the people over there. Welcome
everybody to share your own
thoughts and experience about the Laodao meeting. Thank you so much!
--

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发信人: swarmer (麦地守望者), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 老刀会没有报道?
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun May 10 12:40:30 2009)

估计现在很多人还没到家吧。我们昨天算是走的早的,开到家已经半夜2点了。我跟老
公讲了一路我得到的各种信息,兴奋的都睡不着了。加上对隐性眼镜的eye drop过敏,
现在眼睛红得象个little devil,还是忍不住先到版上来看看。今天先简单汇报一下情
况,改天我会把我得到的信息详细写下来,给没来的人参考。

就像老刀说的,会议开的非常圆满成功。老刀和其他来参加会议的医生们,每个人都是
耐心细致,生动幽默地介绍各科的情况。尤其是老刀关于面试问题的分析,以一贯的刀
客风格,让大家认识到应该如何以四两拨千斤,把对自己不利的问题转化为表现自己能
力的机会,对我启发很大。

我自己是听了整11个小时,刀太准备了特别丰盛的食物,可惜我没吃几口,连水都没怎
么喝,生怕错过了任何重要的信息,真对不起刀太啊。不过我吃到的精神大餐,足以让
我三月不知肉味了。

感谢老刀,刀太和各位前辈们给我们提供一个这么好的机会。如果让我给没来的同学们
一个建议的话,我会说:明年,一定要来。
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发信人: JDJ (Step2 CS), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 老刀会归来
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun May 10 21:50:34 2009)

收获很大,不少困惑和问题有了答案,豁然开朗。
申请内科/病理?不建议超过两个科以上,主要根据兴趣决定,不要把其中一科当作
backup.

PS and IV时,要强调多年research experience对于今后临床工作是positive factor。
个人经历不同,反正得自圆其说,总之只有positive的,没有negative的。
见习的作用:主要是了解美国医疗系统的运作,多多益善,不必局限于将来准备申请的
那个科。同时在见习中累积一些感人的小故事,PS and IV中有机会时讲讲,会比较
impressive。

全职考版的姐妹,中断的经历肯定是weakness.怎么样去弥补?合理的解释(family
issue,spend time with kids)+多作见习。
PCP or FM, 担心没病人?语言上不可能超过老美,可是语言不决定一切。Be nice to
patients, 正确的诊断,耐心解释治疗方案,病人会越来越多的。
内科fellow,cardiology非常热,一旦进去之后,将来钱途似锦。介入治疗需要在三年
fellow后再接受1-3年的training.如果能够进入acdemic hospital作住院,对将来申请
专科会有帮助。

非常感谢那么多attending,fellow, resident的宝贵时间和精力。刀太,奔太和别的家
属在厨房里忙碌了整整一天,太辛苦了。
先想到这些,等别的同学补充分享。
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发信人: medlamb (麦地小羊), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: 老刀会归来
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun May 10 15:34:27 2009)

Just coming from the Laodao meeting, I enjoyed the meeting very much because
it cleared some of my
questions about the match. I am writing my experience on the airplane to
share with you all especially for
those people was not able to attend the meeting this year.

Overall, based on attending's talk, the road to board is hard but definitely
achievable. Do your best. You
will succeed.

For steps, never go for the test until you are fully ready. However, getting
lower scores is not the end of the
world, try to improve your other credentials.

For observer-ship, the more the better, it doesn't have to be the same
specialty you want to apply because
all of the clinical departments all integrated and you just need to know how
the system is working.

For application,go for more than one specialty if possible, you never know
which program likes you and
which is hot this year. However, if you are dedicated to one area with
strong past related experience, you
will save some time.

For interview, be prepared, research the program and their people's work,
while talking, try to tell your own
stories and cover most of the time, this way, the interviewer will have less
chance to throw hard questions
on you. Be very strong on your positive side experience, do not bring in any
negative side to let you down.
However, often time we just do not know how and why what you have just said
during interview may
negatively affect your chance---all of your past hard work may not be paid
off if you can not convince
the interviewer that you are much more better compared to other applicants
within the first five minutes.
Doing mock interviews and practice more will help.

I can not thank more enough for Laodao's warmhearted for providing this
opportunity for us to get
experience form faculty,senior, and medcareer fellows. Thanks to all the
faculty for their time. Thank Dao
Tai's great foods. Hope to see your guys again next year!

I wish I had the chance to talk to all the people over there. Welcome
everybody to share your own
thoughts and experience about the Laodao meeting. Thank you so much!
--

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发信人: swarmer (麦地守望者), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 老刀会没有报道?
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun May 10 12:40:30 2009)

估计现在很多人还没到家吧。我们昨天算是走的早的,开到家已经半夜2点了。我跟老
公讲了一路我得到的各种信息,兴奋的都睡不着了。加上对隐性眼镜的eye drop过敏,
现在眼睛红得象个little devil,还是忍不住先到版上来看看。今天先简单汇报一下情
况,改天我会把我得到的信息详细写下来,给没来的人参考。

就像老刀说的,会议开的非常圆满成功。老刀和其他来参加会议的医生们,每个人都是
耐心细致,生动幽默地介绍各科的情况。尤其是老刀关于面试问题的分析,以一贯的刀
客风格,让大家认识到应该如何以四两拨千斤,把对自己不利的问题转化为表现自己能
力的机会,对我启发很大。

我自己是听了整11个小时,刀太准备了特别丰盛的食物,可惜我没吃几口,连水都没怎
么喝,生怕错过了任何重要的信息,真对不起刀太啊。不过我吃到的精神大餐,足以让
我三月不知肉味了。

感谢老刀,刀太和各位前辈们给我们提供一个这么好的机会。如果让我给没来的同学们
一个建议的话,我会说:明年,一定要来。
--

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发信人: JDJ (Step2 CS), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 老刀会归来
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun May 10 21:50:34 2009)

收获很大,不少困惑和问题有了答案,豁然开朗。
申请内科/病理?不建议超过两个科以上,主要根据兴趣决定,不要把其中一科当作
backup.

PS and IV时,要强调多年research experience对于今后临床工作是positive factor。
个人经历不同,反正得自圆其说,总之只有positive的,没有negative的。
见习的作用:主要是了解美国医疗系统的运作,多多益善,不必局限于将来准备申请的
那个科。同时在见习中累积一些感人的小故事,PS and IV中有机会时讲讲,会比较
impressive。

全职考版的姐妹,中断的经历肯定是weakness.怎么样去弥补?合理的解释(family
issue,spend time with kids)+多作见习。
PCP or FM, 担心没病人?语言上不可能超过老美,可是语言不决定一切。Be nice to
patients, 正确的诊断,耐心解释治疗方案,病人会越来越多的。
内科fellow,cardiology非常热,一旦进去之后,将来钱途似锦。介入治疗需要在三年
fellow后再接受1-3年的training.如果能够进入acdemic hospital作住院,对将来申请
专科会有帮助。

非常感谢那么多attending,fellow, resident的宝贵时间和精力。刀太,奔太和别的家
属在厨房里忙碌了整整一天,太辛苦了。
先想到这些,等别的同学补充分享。
--

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发信人: USMedEdu (US_CMGs), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 老刀会归来
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon May 11 08:46:15 2009)

写得很好。

请注意:其实任何专业面试官都是老道之极阅人无数的人精,2-3分钟交谈就能把你
大概看出真相和定出你水平高低范围了的。

所以,除这里所谈的why psych? 其实是个共性问题,适用于其它一切专业,而且是
你去面试时一定要回答得生动、准确、令面试者信服最好能听了你的回答,眼睛为
之一亮,感到你是“know something even deeply know about this specialty"而
且,“you are unique”!这样,你才能stand out above other interviewees,
be that the one "we are really looking for and expect for resident candidate”


我在刀会上也主要谈了WHY PATHOLOGY和见习病理为了什么这两个你们很多人不能深
刻理解的问题。你们必须要深思,把这类问题能真正搞懂,convince yourself, then
try to convenience interviewers!

在刀会上我模拟面试了好几个,说实在的,2-3句话,2分钟之内,按实战的结果,
你已经出局了。

因为,你连你自己都没搞清楚WHY的问题,作为阅人无数得面试者早就一眼看出你NOT
FIT!


dok
顺便在此代刀太向各位表示感谢,尤其几位宝妈或候补宝妈,在会议中途去买了鲜花--
玫瑰,她很高兴和感动:母亲节,你没送我东西,可有人送玫瑰了。我有点灰头土脸了。

另外,从波士顿、芝加哥和其它地区来的同学给她的礼物,让她都很高兴,
都有点觉得太让你们破费而不好意思了。

多谢你们!

【 在 jjc (dogcat) 的大作中提到: 】
: What a great meeting! Thank Laodao for giving us such a good chance for
: meeting people.
: Since I want to go psy, I talked to two psy Drs quite a bit. My take-home
: messages are:


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发信人: wodewode (我的我的), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 老刀会归来
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon May 11 10:07:17 2009)

首先感谢老刀刀太给我们准备了如此的一个盛会,感谢到会的每个人。

楼上的各位总结的很好了,加一点:
面试的时候,要准备的很充分。医疗改革是个热点,中美医改的比较也是。。。
进了面试,成绩就不重要了,面试的人看的是:hard work, 听话,flexible,交流技
巧是最重要的。。。
那怎么进面试呢?很多时候小密就把你的材料甩掉了。。。这段我呼唤谁谁来详细谢谢
。。(我听的不全)

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发信人: droplets (滴水穿石), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 老刀会归来
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon May 11 10:18:13 2009)

--沉淀篇--
沉淀了一下,想写得系统些, 但还是东一句西一句, 请见谅.
1.对于不知道自己喜欢啥专业的, 多做OB, 关于内科和病理, 哲别师傅和JIMMY大哥的最近两贴, 已经很形象的描绘出将来工作所要面对的, 我是老刀会回来后才看到了, 觉得十分精辟.
2.对于病理专业, 要先进门. 以自己research background的优势来做敲门砖, 在PS里面可以说对这方面感兴趣, 进了门, 兴趣可以变 :)
3.关于推荐信要抱牛人的大腿, 一封院士大牛的推荐信, 可能已经一切都搞定.
4.对于想要BABY的JJMM, 面试时候最好别大着肚子去, 是个negative factor, 但要是看不出来, 应该没事儿.
5.关于面试, 别问傻问题, 充分准备, 找很多人来mock. 别掉进陷阱, 比如人家问你, 你的缺点是个啥, 千万别太实在, 说什么脱离临床太多年之类, 可以说自己work too hard :)
6.好象还听说只要办了枫叶卡, 中国人也可以办J-1. H-1申请residency难度大于使用J-1.
这些应该是我见闻中所有闪光点, 希望能有些帮助, 去准备CK了, 大家好运!


对于非常感兴趣的PROGRAM, 要是受毕业年限之类的限制, 可以绕过小秘, 直接给PD发
信了, 要好好研究那个PROGRAM写有针对性的信, 如果PD对你感兴趣,这样一来你的材料
就会被调出来.但是发信的人可能会很多, 所以也看运气, 不一定总灵, 但至少可以一
试, 有内线的更好, 可以投PD之所好, 中靶的几率更大些.
欢迎补充!

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发信人: zhongj (mimi), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 老刀会归来
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon May 11 10:30:51 2009)

I came back from Laodao’s conference.Thanks very much for Laodao and Dao
tai to provide us these meeting. Your beautiful house impressed me. I
regretted that I forgot my camera; otherwise I will post your house’s
picture on my computer. When I am tired of studying I will look the picture
and study harder again.

Thanks very much for every faculty, fellow and residency who attended that
meeting. Yours help may change other people’s life.

Thanks very much for the people who were always busying in maintaining the
party. I know how hard work it is for more than 100 people’s party. I know
you are the family member of the guys who are preparing the board. Thanks
all family members who support us.

I met many famous ID on MedicalCareer, it is very excited.

The posts on upstairs like abstracts of the conference which are very clear.
It is very useful even for me because I could not get every point on the
meetion. One thing I want add is Dr. Shao mentioned that as a CMG we need
improve our pronunciation. If it is harder for the interviewer to understand
you how would they want work with you in the future years?

Thanks Laodao again.

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发信人: usmle08 (usmle08), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 老刀会归来
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue May 12 13:07:08 2009)

老刀不喜欢空洞的语言感谢,在此省略1000字。:)

前面各位总结过的我就不重复了。补充一点,是老刀反复强调的,“知己知彼”!
彼是谁?彼首先是program。Program的要求/特点是相对固定的。
彼还是谁?是你的竞争对手,首先是AMG,其次是其他IMG。AMG优先于IMG。
己=自己。用老刀的话来说,这点是最难真正“知”的。我的理解,知己包括两方面,
(1)我自己是多少分(不是指考试分数,是指综合指数)?(2)在所有申请人的队伍
中,我的位置在哪,前,中,还是后?只有清晰地认识自己,才不会因为高估自己而落
空,也不会因为低估自己而低就。

以OSU病理为例,看看病理的行情 (如果信息不准,请纠正)。
2008年,4个名额,全给了OSU 的AMGs。
2009年,4个名额,一个是OSU 内科intern转病理(据Dr. Wu介绍说,科里很喜欢这种
有内科经验的),一个是OSU的AMG (共7个OSU的AMGs选修了病理,一个被本校match,
另外6个match到其他学校),一个是Dr. Wu的博士后(OB at OSU + strong
connection + strong research background),一个是在OSU作了3(6?)个月OB 并
得到2(3?)个faculty强烈推荐的。不知道这些人的考分,或者是我听漏了?

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发信人: EcoRone (中坑), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 老刀会归来
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue May 12 14:03:13 2009)

偷空灌几句. 想到那就说到那, cs后再灌

感谢老刀及各位前辈, 同修....

见到了以前曾经是哈佛教授拿R01的前辈, 现在是心血管大牛, 很是敬仰. 问他这么多
年走下来, 有什么后悔? 或是有机会从新来过, 会不会有不同的选择. 答案是没有....
问做心血管是不是life style巨差, 答案是只要不做介入的活还不错. 但收入就有较大
的影响....IM residency后申请心血管通常要求有科研背景, 有些没有的就会做一年住
院总以弥补.

见到众多名ID...老ID...美女ID及帅哥ID...

一PGY?说大家根本不要担心以后找工作的问题, 都是工作来找人...(和屁埃着地不一样
:)

听几位有自己private practice 的前辈谈了谈, 感觉这条路不是高不可攀, 但很多事
情书本上没有, 需要自己琢磨, 大量的交流很重要.

有一点遗憾就是没有见到很多现任的住院医或者是刚matched上的. 觉得大多数同修都
是还没进门, 新鲜的一手经验肯定会很受欢迎. 呼吁明年这个时候更多先入门一步的
住院医参加老刀会, 把CMG的雪球越滚越大. 帮人就是帮己.

突然想起烧篝火之前扔进去的红薯, 土豆和玉米. 都给谁吃掉了?!

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发信人: jjc (dogcat), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 老刀会归来
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu May 14 12:51:48 2009)

I think Dok and Xiaomaguohe had already given the answers. I'm still an
outsider, a psy-want-to-be. My gut feeling of going psy is:

1. still why psy. If you are not a psy doc back in China, why do you change
your mind. I think that there's public bias towards working in a mental
health institute,especially back in China. In your own heart, can you
justify that bias? A simple test is whether you feel proud of yourself
when you tell your family back in China that you work with patients withe
mental health.

2. open-mind for the culture difference. You don't need to know everything
but you need to have the interest to know about difference among cultures
and not to be judgmental.

3. be a happy psy doc, you need to seperate your work from your life. You
can be trained with all techniques, however, your happiness depends on your
own mind.

I know that the first thing for us NOW is getting into the door of clinic.
But I think that it will be better that we have a clear mind and goal before
jumping in. Since that will be shown up in our PS and interviews and will
better convince the PDs to let us in.


【 在 Ellan (galaxy) 的大作中提到: 】
: 太谢谢了,没去的人可以从这些帖子受益,我就是其中一个。
: jjc (dogcat), 老刀前辈,有个问题想请教一下:如果想做Psy,是怎麽个过程?考
: 完board,还要考所说的专门的什麽考试吗?还是。。。?



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