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无极: 住院医生面试碰到的尴尬事( 力刀评注推荐及麦地网友讨论)
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力刀评注:

这是个很有趣的案例,在住院医生面试时时有发生和遇到或类似的场景。这种情况
的应对常常是面试者有意无意地从你反应回答、面部和BODY语言来考察你的反应能
力和个性特点及成熟的素质。表现得好和应答从容合适到位可以让面试者大为开心
或对你留下深刻良好印象,你就得了高分;而相反,应答错误或不当,轻的引起对
方不快或疑虑,严重的,可以说立即被面试者在心里判了死刑--你出局了!

这个CMG提出了个很好得问题,在我所印的下列讨论里,ChiUSMD和Dojo的发言非常
出色,值得大家认真思考和进一步充分讨论,学习提高自己的面试及对这样问题得
脑筋急转弯能力,以及自己的为人处事成熟能力培养。

值得指出的是:那个在麦地喋喋不休到处卖弄她的所谓“英语”并爱好给人改错的
蠢人的发言更充分地反映出其愚蠢和无知,她的所谓良好英语在她的愚蠢脑袋支配
下成了砸她自己脚的石头。此人在麦地已经贩卖了无数的垃圾和错误得东西。我实
在无法忍受这种蠢人无休无止地误导CMG,所以不惜大开杀戒痛砍此ID,得罪了麦地
版规和版主。

说来是坏事,但这也成就了俱乐部的诞生,这里不会再有这种苍蝇和垃圾的泛滥横
行而不受制止。

我希望这里的各位能从这个案例学到更多,大家积极讨论相互收益提高。

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http://physician.cmgforum.net/dok/viewforum.php?f=16&start=0

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发信人: kaye ([email protected][email protected]~埋底海豚~热爱游泳), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: [合集] 面试碰到的尴尬事
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Nov 2 02:42:11 2010, 美东)


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ZXCVBNMWUJI (无极) 于 (Sun Oct 31 22:38:21 2010, 美东) 提到:

面试碰到的尴尬事:

我的第一个面试的一个面试官是一个看上去很和蔼的老先生,进去后他一上来就笑眯眯
的问,你是怎么认识Dr.XXX的?Dr.XXX是我到美国后的第一个老板。我说,您认识他?
他微笑地点头,说Dr.XXX跟他一起在XXX做的resident。我于是精神为之一振,把我当初
出国如何联系Dr.XXX到他那儿做POSTDOC给绘声绘色了一遍,末了还加了一句类似“He
is the nicest person I've ever met.”之类的评论。面试官耐心听我说完,然后仍
然笑眯眯地说:“Well, I was not getting along with him very well at that
time.”然后就是blah blah blah blah.我当场差点晕倒。

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DrNewbie (NN) 于 (Sun Oct 31 23:33:50 2010, 美东) 提到:

You could have said back, Ohh, he must have changed quite a bit.
Or he only gets along well with suck-ups. I jam him up real good.

【 在 ZXCVBNMWUJI (无极) 的大作中提到: 】

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fionaww (加州无鱼) 于 (Mon Nov 1 00:00:52 2010, 美东) 提到:

第一句还好,第二句就不行啦。万一人家说,感情你是suck-up阿,不然人家怎么看上
你,把你从国内招来呢?不更晕倒了?


【 在 DrNewbie (NN) 的大作中提到: 】
: You could have said, Ohh, he must have changed quite a bit.
: Or he only gets along well with suck-ups.

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DrNewbie (NN) 于 (Mon Nov 1 00:03:49 2010, 美东) 提到:

hehehehe.

Third one: Am I such a charming person that I get along so well with him? Or Am I personable that we get along so well.

Fourth one: You should be happy with my people skills now right? Since I can get along with this snob.

If you love my answers and you get my sick humor, please join my club:

Pre_resident_english_corner.

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DrNewbie (NN) 于 (Mon Nov 1 01:25:54 2010, 美东) 提到:

The rest are for professionals only. No imitation by amateurs.
The 1st is witty. The 2nd is humor.


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dojo (麦地里的豆角) 于 (Mon Nov 1 20:34:37 2010, 美东) 提到:

楼上大哥,你是来搞笑的还是来做广告的?你的这些自以为幽默的答案不是too judgemental ("he must"...lol) 就是自我吹捧。

这个情况下,面试官故意不在开始的时候就说合不来,而是在等楼主说了一大堆以后才
说,其实就是想看楼主遇到尴尬时的反应。象楼上大哥这种回答,把球踢回去,反让面
试官尴尬,我以为不好。我的建议是回答"oh, sorry to hear about that" 就行了,
最多再加一句"I don't know why he treats you and me differently",把这话题带
过就得了。Dr.XXX或者任何一个普通人都不可能跟所有人都合得来,这本是正常现象,
何须画蛇添足

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ChiUSMD (治病救热) 于 (Mon Nov 1 20:56:20 2010, 美东) 提到:

I agree. I assume you are a cute girl, and probably got a high remark from
him, otherwise he won't say this political incorrect thing. Go back ask your
boss whatever he said is true or not, then Send him a nice followup email
and make up something 拍一下马屁.

if your boss can send him a short email, 100% you are in or prematched.
My personal experience you will be ranked very high by that program. 美国人的尊师是骨子里的

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sfkitty (meow) 于 (Mon Nov 1 21:12:16 2010, 美东) 提到:

这真的是个需要脑筋急转弯的问题,我觉得理想的答案是结合NN和豆角的智慧。“sorry to hear that" ,加上适当的表情(让面试官觉得你的确 feel sorry about it, 而不是随口说说),再加上 “well, I guess he must have changed a lot“, 然后以一个beautiful smile to wrap it up。



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dojo (麦地里的豆角) 于 (Mon Nov 1 21:28:20 2010, 美东) 提到:

对的,表情要搭上。但这个must就免了,我对NN第一个答案不满意的就是这个must,显
得好象你多知道Dr.XXX的过去似的。你用"I guess"就对了。

说到底,我觉得这个回马枪问题固然尴尬,但老实应对,或者就是尴尬在那儿傻笑没有
答案,也比表现出自大和judgmental要好,这些性格可是要命的。尤其在正式面试问答
的时候,玩幽默是玩火。

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kaye ([email protected][email protected]~埋底海豚~热爱游泳) 于 (Mon Nov 1 23:09:01 2010, 美东) 提到:


dojo(豆角)和chiusmd的分析都很有道理,谢谢!
个人认为是这个问题的正解吧。

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ChiUSMD (治病救热) 于 (Mon Nov 1 23:45:44 2010, 美东) 提到:

The old people always have some 童心,he tried to say "got you", just be his
way and do something satisfy his joke. Now matter how smart you are, just
pretend "he got you".

"oops" then smile, or slightly 夸张一下,any other words might turn the
table completely opposite.
American would anwer: "you are good" or "you got me".

在中国,就自罚杯酒。
中美情况差不多,就是不能充大拿。



发信人: daisyy (Daisy), 信区: Pre_Resident_Club
标 题: Re: 无极: 住院医生面试碰到的尴尬事( 力刀评注推荐及麦地网友
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Nov 2 13:29:51 2010, 美东)

ChiUSMD和Dojo的合起来不错。 小小自嘲化解了尴尬。

笑,说‘Oops, you got me.' 然后说‘I'm sorry to hear that.'
之后如果老先生不再说这个话题也就算过去。如果还继续说,我个人觉得也就只有点头听的份了,
最多说些‘Oh, really'之类的话,表示一下理解就好了。不一定要提供自己的意见。有时候认真聆听
(active listening) 比说什么更重要。


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发信人: USMedEdu (US_CMGs), 信区: Pre_Resident_Club
标 题: Re: 无极: 住院医生面试碰到的尴尬事( 力刀评注推荐及麦地网友
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Nov 2 13:32:34 2010, 美东)

very good!

that's so called body language.......



【 在 daisyy (Daisy) 的大作中提到: 】
: 有时候认真聆听(active listening) 比说什么更重要。



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发信人: daisyy (Daisy), 信区: Pre_Resident_Club
标 题: Re: 无极: 住院医生面试碰到的尴尬事( 力刀评注推荐及麦地网友
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Nov 5 11:38:39 2010, 美东)

我在英语论坛问了一下这个问题。 这是我得到的回复。看来说‘Oops, you got me.' ‘I'm
sorry to hear that.'都不是很好。

Dojo 曾经建议过加上 I guess 到 he must have changed 可能是比较好的。

BTW, I don't want to see my threads on this one to be appeared in the
MedicalCareer Board. Thanks.

Well, this is a bit tricky because it's not just a language question,
you're also asking how the situation should be interpreted (which is
difficult to do if you weren't present) and how to respond in a
difficult situation (which can be awkward even in your native language).

Option 1) I would think the old gentleman rather strange if this was
what he was doing, but who knows? In any case, I wouldn't reply "oops,
you got me", as you probably don't really want to say to him "I think
you just tried to trap me in an awkward situation", even if that was in
fact what he was indeed trying to do. It also may sound as though you
were just pretending to like the advisor, whereas in fact you are now
acknowledging that he is unlikeable.

Option 2) Possible, but it sounds a bit strange. You're more likely to
say "I'm sorry to hear that" if you hear that someone has died, or some
other unfortunate event has occurred.

Option 3) ‘I guess he must have changed.' --Probably the best of your
suggestions, in my opinion - you are sticking by your original opinion
of the advisor, whilst acknowledging that the old man might have had a
different experience. It is a good, diplomatic response.




发信人: dojo (麦地里的豆角), 信区: Pre_Resident_Club
标 题: Re: 无极: 住院医生面试碰到的尴尬事( 力刀评注推荐及麦地网友讨论
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Nov 5 13:11:12 2010, 美东)

这样,我早上发信给我的consultant问了。她以前是某著名医学院招生委员会成员,也
曾面人无数,现在提供收费咨询服务。她的答案应该算权威了。的确 sorry to hear
that 虽然不只是用在死了人的时候,但有点负面,她的这句话应该是最合适的。

> I have another random question. During interviews, sometimes the
> >interviewer came up with a follow-up question that put me in an awkward
> >position, and I'm not exactly sure what's the best way to answer. For
> >example, one interviewer would ask with a smile "How did you meet Dr. X
> >(one of my advisers)? I knew him because we cooperated many years ago."
> >I'm of course happy that there is a connection, so I would describe my
> >encounter with Dr. X in great detail, and say something like Dr. X is
> >the nicest person I've ever met. But then the interviewer would
> >follow-up, still with a smile, and say "actually, I was not getting
> >along with him very well at that time." What shall I say in this awkward
> >situation? Shall I try to sympathize with him and say "sorry to hear
> >that, I don't why he treated you and me differently"? Or shall I
> >reaffirm my position and say "he must have changed a lot"? Or shall I
> >just downplay and say "you got me"?

I think the best way to deal with it is to just say something like "I'm
sorry you had that experience." Nothing more is indicated. But, it's
very odd for an interviewer to put you on the spot like that. Shows poor
interviewing skills on his/her part.

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发信人: fionaww (加州无鱼), 信区: Pre_Resident_Club
标 题: Re: 无极: 住院医生面试碰到的尴尬事( 力刀评注推荐及麦地网友讨论
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Nov 5 23:46:18 2010, 美东)

hehe, actually I just talked with my attendings today too and got the same
comment.

Just simply say:" I am sorry to hear that. I didn't know you had that
experience with him." Because the interviewee already pushed himself to the
corner, don't say more except simply acknowledging the fact.
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